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March 15, 2009

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Richard Hull

As a youth, my folks would tell me that if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. Well, somewhere along the line I grew up. As I got older I started thinking critically. After 60 years, I started thinking based on that number of years on earth and lessons learned from human interaction.

I have no trouble now with "hard sayins", (an old southern comedian's term for truisms or candid observations that hurt or sting.)

Barring a miracle, fusion systems that supply any form of meaningful power to the consumer are about 70-100 years off in the future.

Regardless of size or cost, unless new ideas in physics come about, the money spent on fusion might best be used to immediately building coal fired or nuclear power plants, in the short term. The world is on a fast track for becoming 100% electrically based. This includes all forms of transport.

We need electricity in huge quad units, quickly, not massive new wind farms or acres of solar panels that are dribs and drabs at the electrical energy issue.

Fusion quests are a series of long running games that are already lost in the short term.

Richard Hull

Brett Bellmore

My position is fairly simple: We already have proven 'fuel pellets' capable of achieving far more than break-even. They're called "bombs", and building a reactor to use them is just an exercise in application of known engineering principles, no new science needed.

We could let the contracts tomorrow to design a working reactor. We don't, because we don't desperately NEED fusion. We've got too many other options.

Nathaniel Kaye

We need fusion power for something, Brett, but I think harnessing hydrogen bombs could be a hard sell to the American people, and the cost might not be favorable compared to a fission plant. While most of us don't need electricity like we need food, we need it to stay in this age of man. We should consider the fact that coal plants are adding significant amounts of mercury to the oceans, and spewing out radioactive particles. Oil seems responsible for global strife. A 70% fission solution seems unlikely due to the expense. We need cheap fusion power to stop people from using gigantic amounts of these fuels. NIF might not be a way to achieve this due to the use of pellets, but I am hesitant to advocate against it. As a costly government project it is more likely to solve our problems than the next-generation destroyer for WWIII.

It makes no sense to say we need new physics. We understand the physics of this problem; we still need that good-enough fuel reflector that doesn't have side-problems. That is, assuming the laser/pellet and hydrogen bomb methods don't make reasonable power sources.

A sensible approach is to invest modest sums of money in small scale experiments. First play around with the details of the design and achieve repeat/extended time operation. Then build differently sized models that are otherwise identical to demonstrate the scaling principle. If at that point, the full scale costs seem reasonable, build it.

David Spector

Although the people who are rediscovering Farnsworth's Fusor patents and experimental reports and anecdotes elsewhere on the Web unfortunately use the typical "gullible" or 'new age" language of nonscientics, I believe that Fusor research is worth replicating today, if there is any chance that it can result in practical fusion applications.

This research has apparently never been discredited on scientific or experimental grounds, but rather died due to political and economic grounds apparently engineered by big business with much to lose.

We don't have such prejudices today, so if there is a chance that a small experimental setup can generate practical hot fusion (indicated by neutron generation and current output), it should be tested. There is no a priori physical reason why multimillion dollar Tokamaks should be necessary for generating hot fusion.

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